Thursday, August 13, 2009

From Sarah Palin - Concerning the "Death Panels"

Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these “unproductive” members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care.

The President made light of these concerns. He said:

“Let me just be specific about some things that I’ve been hearing lately that we just need to dispose of here. The rumor that’s been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma because we’ve decided that we don’t, it’s too expensive to let her live anymore....It turns out that I guess this arose out of a provision in one of the House bills that allowed Medicare to reimburse people for consultations about end-of-life care, setting up living wills, the availability of hospice, etc. So the intention of the members of Congress was to give people more information so that they could handle issues of end-of-life care when they’re ready on their own terms. It wasn’t forcing anybody to do anything.” [1]

The provision that President Obama refers to is Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” [2] With all due respect, it’s misleading for the President to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual ... or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility... or a hospice program." [3] During those consultations, practitioners must explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services. [4]

Now put this in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.” [5] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones.... If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?” [6]

As Lane also points out:

Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren’t quite “purely voluntary,” as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me, “purely voluntary” means “not unless the patient requests one.” Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that’s an incentive to insist.

Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they’re in the meeting, the bill does permit “formulation” of a plug-pulling order right then and there. So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233 would “place senior citizens in situations where they feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign,” I don’t think he’s being realistic. [7]

Even columnist Eugene Robinson, a self-described “true believer” who “will almost certainly support” “whatever reform package finally emerges”, agrees that “If the government says it has to control health-care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending.” [8]

So are these usually friendly pundits wrong? Is this all just a “rumor” to be “disposed of”, as President Obama says? Not according to Democratic New York State Senator Ruben Diaz, Chairman of the New York State Senate Aging Committee, who writes:

Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives.... It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen ... should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign. [9]

Of course, it’s not just this one provision that presents a problem. My original comments concerned statements made by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor to President Obama and the brother of the President’s chief of staff. Dr. Emanuel has written that some medical services should not be guaranteed to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens....An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.” [10] Dr. Emanuel has also advocated basing medical decisions on a system which “produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.” [11]

President Obama can try to gloss over the effects of government authorized end-of-life consultations, but the views of one of his top health care advisors are clear enough. It’s all just more evidence that the Democratic legislative proposals will lead to health care rationing, and more evidence that the top-down plans of government bureaucrats will never result in real health care reform.

[1] See http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/president-obama-addresses-sarah-palin-death-panels-wild-representations.html.
[2] See http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
[3] See HR 3200 sec. 1233 (hhh)(1); Sec. 1233 (hhh)(3)(B)(1), above.
[4] See HR 3200 sec. 1233 (hhh)(1)(E), above.
[5] See http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
[6] See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html].
[7] Id.
[8] See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002455.html].
[9] See http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/letter-congressman-henry-waxman-re-section-1233-hr-3200.
[10] See http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf
[11] See http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions.


SCORE ONE FOR SARAH PALIN ON HEALTHCARE REFORM
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2009/08/13/score-one-for-sarah-palin-on-the-healthcare-reform-death-panels.html

Wednesday, August 05, 2009

August Recess Health Care Blitz - Many Town Hall Meetings Listed - Talking Points, Strategy, & Educational Backgrounder -

STEP ONE: Identify Your Local Town Hall Meetings

Find events in your area. See Bottom (got tons of info from resistnet)

STEP TWO: Call your members of Congress
If a town hall meeting is listed, call your member(s) of Congress and let them know you will be attending. If there are no town hall meetings listed, call your Senators and Reps now and find out when they are holding town hall meetings. If they are not holding a town hall meeting, tell them you are disappointed and then request an appointment with the Member or a staffer at the office closest to you. (If they reject even that, then notify them of the time you will arrive!)

Contact numbers for Congress : http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm


STEP THREE: Post Town Hall events on your state group page
If you identify a town hall meeting or set up an appointment that is not listed , post that event please

STEP FOUR: ATTEND A MEETING AND DELIVER PETITIONS!

lets have every member of Congress to receive a set of “No to Socialized Health Care” petitions. See Resistnet if interested in more info on this


Here are Some Talking Points for when you attend events: - But PLEASE HAVE YOUR OWN, Wat concerns you most - maybe some of these will help stir your thoughts

1) I oppose the President's socialized healthcare plan.

2) Don’t take my health care hostage. I want to make the best choices concerning my healthcare.

3) Eighty-four percent of Americans say they don’t want Obamacare or any form of socialized healthcare.

4) I do not want the government to have more control and influence over my health care. That is why I reject the so called “public option” which is really socialized health care and will destroy private options.

5) Americans cannot afford the $1.5 trillion price tag of socialized health care during these difficult economic times. I flatly reject any health care proposal that increases costs or imposes new taxes on any American.

6) The keys to a consumer-centered health care system:
a. Competition
b. Market Incentives to Control Cost and Improve Services
c. Price, Quality, and Value

7) America’s healthcare system is in desperate need of substantial reform. Policy makers should take decisive steps to move today’s bureaucracy driven, heavily regulated third-party payment system to a new patient-centered system of consumer choice and real free-market competition.

8) Look at the evidence: the TennCare plan in Tennessee and the government run health care plans from Hawaii and Massachusetts were deeply flawed and have failed. Universal healthcare is a bad idea that will end up devastating our nation.

9) What is exactly covered under Obamacare? Please be specific.

10) Have you ever been treated in a Veteran’s hospital? Ask a veteran if they are happy with government run health programs, they wait months for substandard, low quality service. Our veterans and citizens deserve better.





Below is a list of Townhall Meetings being held in the coming weeks by your Members of Congress.


Please look for your Representative's name below which are in alphabetical order. Some Representatives

are holding multiple meetings. If you do not see your Representative listed please call their office and ask

when they will be holding a meeting and express your concerns over the Health Care Bill.

If you are unsure of which district you live in and who your Representative is, please use our ACU Action

Center and your zip code at this link: ACU Action Center

First Local Rochester stuff I found then others

Democrat Congressman Eric Massa will be holding a Town
Hall Meeting at the Mendon Community Center this Thursday, August 6th, from 7:30-9:00pm.
also for Eric Massa
Wednesday, August 26
5:30PM-7:30PM
Perinton Community Center
1350 Turk Hill Rd
Fairport, NY 14450


Chris Lee's Health Care Event is a TeleTownhall on Thursday, August 13th from 10:40am til 11:40am. To participate, you'll call in to the Automated Conference Center at 1-877-229-8493. You'll be prompted for a PIN: 14687, then hit # and you will be directed into the call.

let me know if you know of any others please

US Rep. Dan Maffei will be having a TeleTownhall meeting, not yet scheduled. Call the office at (585) 336-7291 and give them your name, address and phone number. They will call you the day before it's to happen to let you know.

NYS Assemblyman Joseph Errigo's staff said they used to have them but no one showed up so they stopped. She laughed when I suggested people would show up this time. Call and let them know you'd like to see him work while he's home - (585) 334-5210 Henrietta, (518) 455-5662 Albany

NYS Assemblyman Joseph Morrelle held a Senior Health Care event today at Irondequoit High. There are no others scheduled - they usually do them the end of August but changed it this year. (585) 467-0410, (518) 455-5373 Albany

NYS Senator Jim Alesi has nothing planned for this month. Call him and tell him to get something on the calendar. (585) 223-1800 Fairport, (518) 455-2015 Albany

Louise Slaughter is posting information for constituents on her website. Will not have any public events. Also, see the editorial in today's Democrat & Chronicle. (585) 232-4850 Rochester, (202) 225-3615 Washington
(From her website today: "August is a critical time for all Americans to make their voices heard by their representatives in Congress. ..
No matter which path to health care reform you support, I encourage you to let me or your own representatives know your thoughts on this issue. In just the first few days of August, reports of corporate sponsored protests are already pouring in, and it is important that Americans who support true reform let their friends, neighbors, and elected officials know."

Kirsten Gillibrand has no plans yet, though there surely will be, to meet with constituents. She usually posts such things on her website so check back often. (585) 263-6250 Rochester, (202) 224-4451 Washington

Charles Schumer has not scheduled any yet, but might. Check his website for dates. (585)263-5866 Rochester, (202) 224-6542 Washington

It's fun, try it yourself with these folks:

Representative Christopher Lee (585) 663-5570 Rochester, (202) 225-5265 Washington, (716) 634-2324 Williamsville

Rep. Michael Arcuri (315) 793-8146 Utica, (315) 252-2777 Auburn, (607) 756-2470 Cortland, (202)225-3665 Washington

NYS Assembly Members:

Susan John (585) 244-5255 Rochester, (518) 455-4527 Albany *Staff in Rochester said to call Scheduler, 'Hilary,' at the Albany office.

William Reilich (585) 225-4190 Rochester, (518) 455-4664 Albany

Daniel Burling (585) 786-0180 Warsaw, (518) 455-5662 Albany

NYS Senate:

Dale Volker (716) 656-8544 Depew, (585) 786-5048 Warsaw, (518) 455-3471

Joseph Robach You'd need to speak with his Chief of Staff who was unavailable when I called and I declined to leave a message. (585) 225-3650 Rochester, (518) 455-2909 Albany


Batavia Daily news reports yesterday (Monday, July 27) that Sen. Kiersten Gillibrand will visit Geneseo on Aug. 17 at Sweet Briar, located at 5126 Geneseo-Mt. Morris Rd. (Rt. 63). This is a DemocRATick (socialist/communist) Party fundraiser with a $25 minimum donation. The story relates that Sweet Briar is renowned for its views of the Genesee Valley. What if she was met by a large contingent of people picketing with signs against her more recent stand (flip flop from her stand as Democrat Representative in her district) on 2A issues?

OK BY ALPHABETICAL ORDER

Representative Party State District Topic Start Time End Time Date Location Room Address City State Zip Additional Info

Rep. John Adler DEM NJ 3 Congress on Your Corner 11:00 AM 03:00 PM 08/01/2009 TBA TBA TBA NJ
Rep. John Adler DEM NJ 3 Congress on Your Corner 11:00 AM 03:00 PM 08/03/2009 Rittacco Center 1245 Old Freehold Road Toms River NJ 08753

Rep. Michele Bachmann REP MN 6 Telephone Town Hall 02:30 PM 03:30 PM 07/30/2009 To participate please dial (877) 229-8493 and enter the pin: 13533 at anytime during the meeting.

Rep. John Barrow DEM GA 12 Congress on the Corner 03:00 PM 04:30 PM 08/01/2009 Scoops 125 South Wayne Street Milledgeville GA 31061
Rep. John Barrow DEM GA 12 Congress on the Corner 01:00 PM 02:00 PM 08/01/2009 Hancock County Library 8984 East Broad Street Sparta GA 31087
Rep. John Barrow DEM GA 12 Congress on the Corner 11:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/01/2009

Country Buffet 117 West Haynes Street Sandersville GA 31082

Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 05:00 PM 06:00 PM 08/17/2009 Lovelady Church of Christ Fellowship Hall 150 South Read Street Lovelady TX 75851
Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 12:00 PM 01:00 PM 08/17/2009 Community Center 141 North Pearl Street Marquez TX 77865
Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 07:30 PM 08:30 PM 08/19/2009 Kennedale City Hall
Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 12:30 PM 01:30 PM 08/27/2009 Wortham Presbyterian Church 201 South 3rd Street Wortham TX 76693

Council Chambers 405 Municipal Drive Kennedale TX 76060
Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 06:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/19/2009 Mansfield City Hall Council Chamber 1200 East Broad Street Mansfield TX 76063
Rep. Joe Barton REP TX 6 Town Hall 06:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/20/2009 Arlington City Hall Council Chambers 101 West Abram Street Arlington TX 76004

Rep. Michael Burgess REP TX 26 Town Hall 02:00 PM 03:00 PM 08/08/2009 North Central Texas College Administration Building, Little Theater 1525 California Street Gainesville TX 76240
Rep. Michael Burgess REP TX 26 Town Hall 10:00 AM 11:00 AM 08/08/2009 Center for the Visual Arts 400 East Hickory Street Denton TX 76201

Rep. Kathy Castor DEM FL 11 Office Hours 10:30 AM 12:30 PM 09/02/2009 Jan K Platt Library 3910 S. Manhattan Avenue Tampa FL 33611

Rep. Jason Chaffetz REP UT 3 Town Hall 07:00 PM 08/25/2009 Utah County Courthouse 3rd Floor Ballroom 51 S. University avenue Provo UT 84601
Rep. Jason Chaffetz REP UT 3 Town Hall 07:00 PM 08/26/2009 South Jordan Library 10673 S. Redwood Road South Jordan UT 84095

Rep. Tom Cole REP OK 4 Town Hall 12:00 PM 01:00 PM 08/11/2009 Moore Public Library Room A 225 S. Howard Avenue Moore OK 73160
Rep. Tom Cole REP OK 4 Town Hall 12:00 PM 01:00 PM 08/14/2009 Red River Technology Center Main Seminar Room 3300 W Bois D' Arc Duncan OK 73533

Rep. John Conyers DEM MI 14 Community Forum 11:00 AM 03:00 PM 08/01/2009 Ernest T. Ford Recreation Center 10 Pitkin Street Highland Park MI 48203
Rep. John Conyers DEM MI 14 Community Forum 03:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/02/2009 Fellowship Chapel 7707 W. Outer Drive Detroit MI 48235

Rep. Joe Courtney DEM CT 2 Telephone Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/05/2009 The number to call in to the teleconference has not yet been determined, please check back closer to date indicated for the number.
Rep. Joe Courtney DEM CT 2 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/06/2009 Woodstock Academy 57 Academy Road Woodstock CT 06281

Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 Back-to-School Event 01:00 PM 08/15/2009 Columbus Park S. Central Avenue and W. Jackson Boulevard Chicago IL 60644
Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 Back-to-School Event 10:00 AM 08/15/2009 N. Central Avenue and Bloomingdale Avenue Chicago IL 60639
Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 Town Hall 01:00 PM 08/15/2009 Columbus Park Central and Jackson Chicago IL 60604
Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 Town Hall 10:00 AM 08/15/2009 Kickoff Central and Bloomingdale Central and Bloomingdale Chicago IL 60639
Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 State of the district Town Hall 09:00 AM 08/22/2009 Malcolm X College 1900 West Van Buren Chicago IL 60612
Rep. Danny Davis DEM IL 7 Town Hall 09:00 AM 08/29/2009 2nd Baptist Church of Maywood 36 South 13th Avenue Maywood IL 60153
Rep. Susan Davis DEM CA 53 Workshop 06:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/24/2009 Bayside Community Center 2202 Comstock Street San Diego CA 92111
Rep. Susan Davis DEM CA 53 Workshop 06:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/25/2009 USD Joan Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice 5998 Alcala Park San Diego CA 92110
Rep. Susan Davis DEM CA 53 Workshop 12:30 PM 02:30 PM 08/26/2009 NTC Promenade Command Center 2640 Historic Decatur Road San Diego CA 92106
Rep. Susan Davis DEM CA 53 Neighborhood Day 01:00 PM 02:00 PM 08/29/2009 836 Kempton Street Spring Valley CA 91977
Rep. Susan Davis DEM CA 53 Neighborhood Day 01:00 PM 02:00 PM 08/29/2009 Spring Valley Library 836 Kempton Street Spring Valley CA 91977

Rep. Donna Edwards DEM MD 4 Town Hall 06:00 PM 07:30 PM 08/06/2009 Oxon Hill Branch Library 6200 Oxon Hill Road Oxon Hill MD 20745

Rep. Keith Ellison DEM MN 5 Health Forum 10:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/01/2009 North Point Health and Wellness Center 1313 Penn Avenue N. Minneapolis MN 55411
Rep. Mary Fallin REP OK 5 Public Event 06:30 PM 08:30 PM 09/28/2009 Kingfisher County Fairgrounds Exhibit Building 300 S. 13th Street Kingfisher OK 73750

Rep. Trent Franks REP AZ 2 Town Hall 01:00 PM 08/22/2009 First Assembly of God Church 1850 Gates Avenue Kingsland AZ 86401

Rep. Martin Heinrich DEM NM 1 Congress On Your Corner 02:30 PM 04:00 PM 08/22/2009 Jerry's Market 7553 Isleta Boulevard SW. NM The one-on-one sessions are limited to 5 minutes each. There are 18 spots at each event, so RSVP today to reserve your spot (505) 346-6781.
Rep. Martin Heinrich DEM NM 1 Congress On Your Corner 12:30 PM 02:00 PM 09/12/2009 MAC's La Sierra Restaurant 6217 Central NW NM The one-on-one sessions are limited to 5 minutes each. There are 18 spots at each event, so RSVP today to reserve your spot (505) 346-6781.
Rep. Martin Heinrich DEM NM 1 Congress On Your Corner 12:30 PM 02:00 PM 09/19/2009 Kathy's Carry Out 823 Isleta SW NM The one-on-one sessions are limited to 5 minutes each. There are 18 spots at each event, so RSVP today to reserve your spot (505) 346-6781.
Rep. Martin Heinrich DEM NM 1 Congress On Your Corner 12:30 PM 02:00 PM 09/26/2009 Pro's Ranch Market 4201 Central Avenue, NW. NM The one-on-one sessions are limited to 5 minutes each. There are 18 spots at each event, so RSVP today to reserve your spot (505) 346-6781.
Rep. Martin Heinrich DEM NM 1 Congress On Your Corner 12:30 PM 02:00 PM 10/03/2009 Abuelita's 6083 Isleta Boulevard SW NM The one-on-one sessions are limited to 5 minutes each. There are 18 spots at each event, so RSVP today to reserve your spot (505) 346-6781.

Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/03/2009 Mauldin City Hall 5 East Butler Road Mauldin SC 29662
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 06:30 PM 08/04/2009 Cowpens Library 181 School Street Cowpens SC 29330
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/06/2009 Upstate Family Resource Center 1850 Old Furnace Road Boiling Springs SC 29316
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/17/2009 Sue Cleveland Elementary School 375 Woodmont School Road Piedmont SC 29673
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/18/2009 Travelers Rest Library 17 Center Street Travelers Rest SC 29390
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/20/2009 R.D. Anderson Applied Tech. Ctr. 1151 Moore Duncan Hwy 290 Moore SC 29369
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/24/2009 New Prospect Elementary School 9251 Highway 9 Inman SC 29349
Rep. Bob Inglis REP SC 4 Town Meeting 07:00 PM 08/25/2009 Lake Forest Elementary 16 Berkshire Avenue Greenville SC 29615

Rep. Jesse Jackson DEM IL 2 Town Hall 06:00 PM 07:30 PM 08/18/2009 Sheldon Heights Church of Christ 11249 S. Halstead Street Chicago IL 60628

Rep. Timothy Johnson REP IL 15 Town Hall 06:30 PM 07:30 PM 08/05/2009 Normal Library Community Room 206 W. College Avenue Normal IL 61761
Rep. Timothy Johnson REP IL 15 Town Hall 07:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/10/2009 Pontiac City Hall 115 W. Howard Street Pontiac IL 61764

Rep. John Linder REP GA 7 Constituent Outreach 04:00 PM 06:00 PM 08/05/2009 Grayson Library 700 Grayson Parkway Grayson GA 30680
Rep. John Linder REP GA 7 Constituent Outreach 05:00 PM 07:00 PM 08/13/2009 Suwanee Library 361 Main Street Suwanee GA 30024
Rep. John Linder REP GA 7 Constituent Outreach 10:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/13/2009 Piedmont Regional Library 189 Bell View Street Winder GA 30017
Rep. John Linder REP GA 7 Constituent Outreach 01:00 PM 03:00 PM 08/19/2009 Covington Library 7116 Floyd Road Covington GA 30014
Rep. John Linder REP GA 7 Constituent Outreach 10:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/19/2009 Monroe- Walton Library 217 West Spring Street Monroe GA 30655

Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 04:00 PM 05:00 PM 08/06/2009 Western Oklahoma State College Room H-9 2801 N. Main Street Altus OK 73521
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 09:00 AM 10:00 AM 08/06/2009 Fire Department Community Room 115 E. Main Street Hinton OK 73047
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 11:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/06/2009 Anadarko City Hall 501 W. Virginia Avenue Anadarko OK 73005
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 02:00 PM 03:00 PM 08/06/2009 Western Technology Center Seminar Room 1000 S. Bailey Street Hobart OK 73651
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 04:00 PM 05:00 PM 08/07/2009 Cordell Police Department Community Room 105 W. Main Street Cordell OK 73632
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 01:30 PM 02:30 PM 08/07/2009 Mangum Brick Company Conference Room 2316 N. Louis Tittle Avenue Mangum OK 73554
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 11:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/07/2009 Hollis Civic Center 208 W. Jones Street Hollis OK 73550
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 04:00 PM 05:00 PM 08/19/2009 City Hall Commission Chamber 516 East Grand Avenue Ponca OK 74601
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 10:00 AM 11:00 AM 08/19/2009 Medford City Hall 615 North Front Street Medford OK 73759
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 01:00 PM 02:00 PM 08/19/2009 Newkirk Public Library 116 North Maple Avenue Newkirk OK 74647
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 02:30 PM 03:30 PM 08/19/2009 Kay Electric Kay Room 300 West Doolin Avenue Blackwell OK 74631
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 04:00 PM 05:00 PM 08/20/2009 Autry Technology Center Room 22 1201 West Willow Road Enid OK 73703
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 12:00 PM 01:00 PM 08/20/2009 Perry Municipal Building 729 Cedar Street Perry OK 73077
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 01:30 PM 02:30 PM 08/20/2009 Billings City Hall 122 West Main Street Billings OK 74630
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 09:30 AM 10:30 AM 08/20/2009 Park Pavilion Casey's Trail and Highway 64 Morrison OK 73061
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 03:30 PM 04:30 PM 08/21/2009 City Hall Community Room 123 S. 6th Avenue Fairview OK 73737
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 12:00 PM 01:00 PM 08/21/2009 Northwest Oklahoma State University Wyatt Room in
Student Center 709 Oklahoma Boulevard Alva OK 73717
Rep. Frank Lucas REP OK 3 Town Hall 01:30 PM 02:30 PM 08/21/2009 Alfalfa Farm Bureau 113 South Grand Avenue Cherokee OK 73728

Rep. Dan Lungren REP CA 3 Town Hall 07:00 PM 08:30 PM 08/18/2009 Citrus Heights City Hall 6237 Fountain Square Drive Citrus Heights CA 95621
Rep. Dan Lungren REP CA 3 Town Hall 10:00 AM 12:00 PM 08/22/2009 Jackson City Hall 33 Broadway Jackson CA 95642
Rep. Dan Lungren REP CA 3 Town Hall 07:00 PM 08:30 PM 08/26/2009 Rancho Cordova City Hall 2729 Prospect Park Drive Rancho Cordova CA 95670

Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/04/2009 Avery County Commissioner?s Board Room 2nd Floor 175 Linville Street Newland NC 28657
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/06/2009 Spruce Pine Public Library Community Meeting Room 142 Walnut Avenue Spruce Pine NC 28777
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/10/2009 Mooresville Town Hall Town Commissioners Chamber 413 North Main Street Mooresville NC 28655
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/11/2009 Hickory City Hall City Council Chambers 76 North Center Street Hickory NC 28601
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/12/2009 James Warren Lincoln County Citizens Center Commissioners Chambers 115 West Main Street Lincolnton NC 28092
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/13/2009 Lenoir Library Meeting Room 6, Lower Level 120 Hospital Avenue Lenoir NC 28645
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/17/2009 Western Piedmont
Community College Phifer Learning Resource Center (LRC), Second Floor, Room 120 1001 Burkemont Avenue Morganton NC 28655
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/18/2009 Rutherford County Schools Offices School Board Chambers 382 West Main Street Forest City NC 28043
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/19/2009 Cherryville Fire Department 411 East Church Street Cherryville NC 28021
Rep. Patrick McHenry REP NC 10 Town Hall 06:00 PM 08/20/2009 Charles A. Harry Cleveland County Administration Building County Commissioners Chambers 311 East Marion Street Shelby NC 28151

Rep. Jerry Moran REP KS 1 County Tour Stop 09:30 AM 10:30 AM 08/04/2009 Sauder Community Center 110 South 1st Street Madison KS 66860
Rep. Jerry Moran REP KS 1 County Tour Stop 01:00 PM 02:00 PM 08/13/2009 Chamber of Commerce 306 N. Main Street McPherson KS 67460
Rep. Jerry Moran REP KS 1 County Tour Stop 04:30 PM 05:30 PM 08/13/2009 TBD TBD Cottonwood Falls KS
Rep. Jerry Moran REP KS 1 County Tour Stop 02:30 PM 03:30 PM 08/13/2009 Tabor College Wolhgemuth Music Education Center 400 South Jefferson Street Hillsboro KS 67063

Rep. Tim Murphy REP PA 18 Town Hall 09:00 AM 11:00 AM 08/01/2009 Moon Township Municipal Building 1000 Beaver Grade Road Moon Township PA 15109

Rep. Ed Perlmutter DEM CO 7 Government in the Grocery 01:00 PM 08/08/2009 King Soopers 500 Bromley Lane Brighton CO 80601

Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/03/2009 Martinsville High School 351 Commonwealth Boulevard Martinsville VA 24112
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/04/2009 Laurel Park Middle School 280 Laurel Park Avenue Martinsville VA 24112
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/05/2009 O.T. Bonner Middle School 300 Apollo Drive Danville VA 24540
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/06/2009 Chatham Middle School 11650 Highway 29 N. Chatham VA 24531
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/07/2009 Halifax High School 310 High School Circle South Boston VA 24592
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 11:00 AM 01:00 PM 08/08/2009 Bedford Elementary School 806 Tiger Trail Bedford VA 24523
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/10/2009 Ruckersville Elementary School 105 Progress Place Ruckersville VA 22968
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/11/2009 Charlottesville High-MLK Performing Arts Center 1400 Melbourne Road Charlottesville VA 22901
Rep. Tom Perriello DEM VA 5 Tom In Your Town 06:00 PM 08:00 PM 08/17/2009 Fluvanna County School Board Office 14455 James Madison Highway Palmyra VA 22963
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If we really want to argue a"fix" for health care we really need to fix the premise in which we discuss the issue.

Just a couple of quick food for thoughts here. As some how I have less time to think lately than I used to :(. But still felt the need to get a quick thought out

As people address health care it always seems to come done to how the system is broken (which yes ok I will give you that point) but why is it broken. Everyone talks about The HMO's, insurers and the medical field getting rich (like being rich is a bad thing but that is another thing all together, kinda). On the Flip side conservatives argue about how the Obama care is population control (agreed) or will drive up costs and kill jobs and invade on privacy etc.. which are all valid but still not the heart of the problem. All these things are symptoms of what is broken. Though Health care has its problems in the USA and sure is inferior to what it used to be and what it could be it is also superior to most.

If we really want to argue or "fix" health care we really need to fix the premise in which we discuss the issue.
Well, it’s coming down to the wire, and with the far left (Nancy Pelosi and alikes) making deals with the Blue Dog democrats. Like saying that they will not force insurance companies to pay for abortions (like I believe that anyway) or doctors to perform them unless it is under extreme life and death situations for the mother (yeah until they finally do away with the conscience clause as they are trying to do). Never mind that is how they got abortion to pass saying it was for EXTREME cases and when the health of the mother was at stake, then later changing that wording to include the mental health of the mother, who says they wont change that too later on. This is all a slippery slope.

Any way back to the point. We conservatives and pro-liberty need to not be goated into false arguments and start communicating the real issue here.

It is simple, everyone says that the Free-Market Health care system is broken and we need a change we need the government to come in and fix the out of control costs. They tell us how the free market is the cause of people being denied care etc.. and that we need to do something to "fix" the system and that government intervention or state run universal health care is the answer.

The problem being in all this is we don't have a free market health care system. Everything from Wall Street to Health care always seems to boil down to Capitalism vs Socialism or worse a Marxist/Orwellian society. We must get back to the basics and remind people that over the years government has imposed over 2,000 mandates to insurance companies saying what they have to cover or what they cant cover or deny etc... and there are 133,000 pages of health care regulation in the U.S. Federal Register. Please tell me why you would consider that to be free market. Each time the government steps in to fix it has driven up prices not only to individuals but to the population as a whole. Every time the government interferes with the private sector they cause more red tape, more inefficacy and less control to doctors. Take a look at medicade and medicare we go on these programs when we have to not cause we want to and now they want to tell people they want to make everyone have to be on programs like this. If the government wants a state run health care then fine so be it. Let them make their Amtrak health care and run it and see who signs up.

When the USA had a market-based medical/health care system it was brilliant the best in the world and for those with or with out money. Over the last 40-50 years the government has inched its way into this part of the privet sector (as if you control health you can certainly more easily control the people, ask any dictator). Why should we have to beg our president to decided who lives and dies, who is convient or who is worthy of what treatment. That should not only be the doctors say but mine and my families. I would like for not only congress but proponents of State run government controlled health care to tell me how that system works? They act like every thing the government touches turns to gold when in fact everything they touch goes bankrupt (as they are not out for profit, nor should they be, but out for our tax dollars)

Something has to change, Agreed, I can admit like I think the majority can that something has to give but it certainly should not giving up more civil liberties, privacy and control to the government. I say re-frame the argument to the left. Let us go on the offensive as the Free-Market works every time. Profit not only is a great motivator but the best way to increase customer service. Basic economics 101.

I am, as is every conservative I know, very compassionate and want to see anyone in need taken care of and anyone who really needs care get it. But as the democrats would have us believe it is only them who care and only them who know what is best for me, you, the poor, the sick and the rich.

I honestly believe we need to start re-framing the debate, not just this one but most of the issues. We are constantly trying to debate on their false dilemma so it is imperative we not only educate ourselves on the issues and Legislation being offered but as well correct the debate, we want to solve for the problem not the symptoms. And the problem is government, government needs to get out of the way and let the free-market highlight it's many benefits and beauty. We have been the leaders of the free world almost since our inception as a country for a reason, our founding fathers believed in you as an individual not just as a business owner but as consumers as well. It has always been about We the people verses they the government and the elitist mentality that most of the rest of the world seems to subscribe to even to this day the world is riddled with dictators and communists and other oppressive regimes who control and dictate every aspect o peoples lives.

Not only must we be consistent and diligent to not let them suck us back into a false argument but as well once we get to the point that they can see reason and see how government is trying to suck us dry from the inside out we must also be able to offer a solution. The solution must be concise as well not just make government get out of the way. But to explain how the government has interfered over the years in the free market health care system that used to work so wonderfully. Nothing is perfect so we can always find things to fix or try to perfect in a system but when ever we find flaws in a system that need fixed we as a people need to remember that solutions never come from government.

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